Inter-Fab's Keith Monk On The ADA Deadline For Commercial Pools

by Barrett Kilmer February 14, 2012 12:57 PM

Americans With Disabilities Act logoCommercial pool operators and lift installers are racing to comply with ADA by the March 15 deadline. We ask several industry insiders how prepared the industry is for the changes. This is the second in a series.

Keith Monk, national sales director, Inter-Fab, Tucson, Ariz.

AQUA: Are people generally aware of the new requirements and the deadline?

Monk: It’s really hard to pin it down. Many of the larger hotel chains are aware of it. I guess if I had to put a number on it, based on the phone calls that we get and anecdotally out in the field what I get from my reps, it seems like maybe 70 percent of the facilities that need to be in compliance know about this. 

We’ve conducted about 150 seminars with distributors and dealers, and the dealers specifically are in contact with these facilities. Obviously they’re making them aware. In some cases the facilities’ lawyers make them aware. In other cases the facilities’ liability insurance carrier will make them aware. 

AQUA: What about compliance?

Monk: Compliance is way lower than that. Of course, some of these larger lodging groups have already make commitments to purchasing access equipment in bulk that they’re going to provide for their hotel chains or franchisees or however they’re set up. But most of them are not in compliance at this time. They’re just preparing the way. If I had to put a guess on the level of compliance at this point, I’d have to say it’s about 10 percent. It’s real low at the moment. 

Because the deadline is March 15, and because many of these facilities have budgets that are calendar year, many of them were not able to put it into their budgets until 2012. We’re seeing a flurry of activity since the new year when they were able to put it into their budgets and start scheduling installations.

AQUA: As a manufacturer, are you aware of what sort of enforcement effort there’ll be?

Monk: The enforcement varies considerably, depending on the municipality. This is a federal thing — it’s the justice department — but there are some municipalities that have categorized this as a safety issue, so they’ve taken it upon themselves to enforce, or at least try to get compliance, with their health departments. But to my knowledge at this time, which is only anecdotal and based on calls we get and from talking to reps, that’s not really common.

In most cases, the inspectors — health and safety, building inspectors — are taking a hands-off approach for the most part and saying, ‘This is a federal thing and we’ve got enough to do.’ There are some, though, that have taken a very proactive approach.

Now, that all may change as we near the date and those municipalities talk to their lawyers and things. They may feel like they’ve got a liability issue if they don’t take a more proactive approach. But all of that is yet to be sorted out.

AQUA: Inter-Fab’s expertise is on the residential side. What made you decide to enter the commercial lift market?

Monk: We felt the manufacturers that were out there were dealing primarily with the commercial properties and commercial dealers, and we service what would be considered smaller commercial customers. For instance a local motel is typically serviced not by one of the big contractors that would build an Olympic-sized pool or a water park. So we have a lot of connections to all of these dealers who would be likely to have relationships with these individual, smaller entities that are still going to have to come into compliance. So that was how we felt we could get the word out. 

We conducted about 150 seminars around the country since last spring to get the word out and to educate, and we were able to do that because of the connection with distribution and dealers who don’t normally deal with the manufacturers of these products.

AQUA: Has there been an increase in residential pool lifts as a result of ADA?

Monk: I think there has been because we got the word out about what’s available. I have spoken to a number of dealers that have said, ‘Hey, I need to let this customer and that customer know about this because they’re disabled and they might be interested.’ So, by the time this is all done it’ll definitely spill over into residential.

AQUA: What about some of the things that are in gray areas, like pools owned by condo associations?

Monk: Well, we have a number of resouces that we provide. The first level is we have a brochure, the back page of which has the very basics of ADA compliance. And then we have a full page of FAQs that goes into more detail. Both of those resources have Websites. That’s where you dig into the real meat of the law, and all of the different things that are around it. 

And then we also have a whole group of additional resources. For example, there are tax incentive for businesses that come into compliance, so we send out a sheet with the basics for being able to get some of this tax credit. 

AQUA: Is that universal? Can any hotel take advantage?

Monk: There are guidelines. If you derive more than like $1 million from the pool, then you’re not eligible, if you’re deriving less, then you are. 

Then we have some dimensions and things that show people what kind of space they need next to the chair so people can wheel up in a wheelchair and get in properly. It has to be operated by the handicapped person without assistance from others, so lifts that require another person to push them out over the water or something like that don’t comply.

 

 

 



Barrett Kilmer, has been on the editorial staff of AQUA magazine since 2000. He has a B.A. in English from the University of Wisconsin - Madison, and currently lives in Madison, Wisc.

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Comments (15) -

2/15/2012 8:17:15 AM #

Has anyone in the industry looked into the safety and liability in installing the lifts? Most of my customers are hotel motel type properties where their is no supervision at the pool.  How may an installer or the property be liable when a child hurts themself by diviing off the lift into shallow water?  Is the Federal Goverment offering relief to these types of lawsuits?

Alan Strand

2/15/2012 9:25:17 AM #

Alan,

The Federal Government couldn't offer lawsuit relief even if they wanted to.  You can't legislate liability away no matter how hard you try.  If you install a lift and anyone gets injured doing anything even remotely near the lift, you're going to be involved in the lawsuit, albeit as a minor party.  But, legal defense is never cheap.

Having anything to do with swim at your own risk pools puts you at greater risk than anyone but the facility owner.

Commercial Pool Service Owner

2/15/2012 10:49:35 AM #

Is it not an OSHA requirement to bond any metal surfaces within 5 feet of the pool? How is then portable lifts can be used around pools and spas without be bonded? I know the hotels are required to use the in deck anchor lifts unless they do not have the room. Then they are allowed the portables.

Any one have any input on this?

Tim Anderson

Tim Anderson

2/15/2012 12:04:41 PM #


Any conductive (metal) object larger than 4" x 4", if attached to the deck or pool structure that penetrates more than 1" has to bonded by NEC (electrical code) Not OSHA. The so called DOJ preference requirement for a "fixed" or anchored lift is false interpretation by DOJ. No where in the Law does it say a fixed "non-portable" lift is prefered or required. And if they have "room" for a portable lift they would have more room for a fixed installed lift which are generally smaller in deck footprint area. So to add more confusion is a lift "fixed" by just setting it in a deck anchor? Deck anchors do not attach the lift to the deck. Anchored lift (most models) are easy to lift and port away from the pool.

Darrin Downing

2/15/2012 12:24:41 PM #

The bonding issue could be solved by Lift MFG's making a high quality plastic or nonconductive anchor.

A "fixed" Lift or the concreted in metal anchor must be bonded to the contiguous bonding wire or grid.
You can't just drive a Metal rod in the hole and attach a new bond wire. And some jurisdictions are going to require an electrical permit and inspection for the bonding wire. Just like on new construction pools or retrofit decks, ladders, slides and other deck equipment. Portable lifts should not require bonding.

Trying to find the original bonding wire on an old pool retrofit, is very difficult. Most likely, installers will have to run a bonding wire across (or imbedded in to ) the deck back to the equipment room and attach it to the bonding wire at the pump area.

www.mwpools.com

Darrin Downing

2/16/2012 9:43:29 AM #

This is a great response to last week’s new ADA ruling and the current challenges that many are facing due to the new regulations.  There are many questions surrounding this topic.

American Pool Enterprises, Inc will be holding a webinar on February 28th, 2012 at 3:00pm EDT featuring Mitchell Friedlander, CEO of American Pool Enterprises, Inc. Mitchell will be outlining ADA regulations, what you need for your swimming facility and your options to comply with this policy.  Learn how to choose a vendor and make sure they meet the standards you require and become an expert in documenting and marketing your compliance to prospective customers. The new standards go into effect on March 15, 2012 – be sure you’re ready by attending this webinar.

Please visit https://www1.gotomeeting.com/register/546163888 to sign up for the webinar.

Heidi

2/16/2012 2:43:53 PM #

I respectfully disagree with the assesment that portable lifts do not require bonding.  

NEC Section 680.26, paragraph 3 states, "All metal fittings within or attached to the pool structure shall be bonded. Isolated parts that are not over 100 mm (4 in.) in any dimension and do not penetrate into the pool structure more than 25 mm (1 in.) shall not require bonding."

When a portable lift is placed on the deck it does not require bonding. (Similar to a lifeguard chair).  However, once  a patron is lowered into the water all bets are off.  When the metalic structure of the lift breaks the water surface it becomes  "metal fittings within or attached to the pool structure", thus requiring bonding.

WillyMac

2/16/2012 6:14:12 PM #

This is just another example of the government butting in where they are not wanted. This whole ADA this is a SCAM to bilk people out of their money for something they don't want or need!!! This chair lift garbage is one more thing to cause apartment owners to have a reason to fill in the pool and make it a grass field, thereby causing us pool tech to lose another customer.

Transluc

2/16/2012 9:16:46 PM #

WillyMac, I think you are sorely mistaken. Portable lifts have been around since the mid 90's and have NEVER been required to be bonded.

John Anderson

2/21/2012 3:31:38 PM #

Transluc,

This is really about giving equal access to the disabled.  Over the past few years, I have learned a lot about our disabled in this country.  Allowing them to have access to swimming pools isn't over burdensome and is just the right thing to do.

Your statement about apartments is based on faulty information.  Apartments are governed by the Fair Housing Act and not the Americans with Disabilities Act. For the most part, apartment complexes are not required to supply a lift for their pool.

Patrick Smith

2/21/2012 3:44:18 PM #

John,

I'm the first to admit that I may not know everything.  However, I couldn't find any provisions in NEC 680 that exempts certain pieces of metallic equipment that are submerged underneath water level.

WillyMac

WillyMac

2/21/2012 9:05:35 PM #

Willy Mac,

I'm not an expert either, but I'm familiar enough with lifts to know that portable lifts have never been required to be bonded.

John Anderson

2/24/2012 1:32:05 PM #

John & Willy Mac neither of you are experts...  Its ok concentrate on something else..

Thanks

Doug

2/29/2012 8:14:06 AM #

Monk was mentioning Websites as sources of the "meat of the law " . Please forward these .  I work   work       with several condo assn . and they need specific answers .  Thanks                            

Paul

3/1/2012 11:58:21 AM #

Paul,
Here's a good place to start: http://poollifts.com/

barrett kilmer

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